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		<title>Comment on The Bible Teaches Us to Oppose Racism, Abortion and Homosexuality, and Endorse Capital Punishment by Art DeLeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art DeLeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Creamer, I missed the live broadcast of this particular show but listened to the archived verion in it's entirity. I want to thank you for the biblical stance you take on the issues that plague this nation. On the topic of Racism I thought it fitting to send you writings from a man who had a keen perspective on this matter but, moreover from the prespective of his "unalienable rights endowed by our creator" and so expressed the cultural norm of his day and the great hyprocesy of the "church". 

THE CHURCH AND PREJUDICE
(Speech delivered at the Plymouth County Anti-Slavery Society, November 4, 1841) Frederick Douglas

        At the South I was a member of the Methodist Church. When I came north, I thought one Sunday I would attend communion, at one of the churches of my denomination, in the town I was staying. The white people gathered round the altar, the blacks clustered by the door. After the good minister had served out the bread and wine to one portion of those near him, he said, "These may withdraw, and others come forward;" thus he proceeded till all the white members had been served. Then he took a long breath, and looking out towards the door, exclaimed, "Come up, colored friends, come up! for you know God is no respecter of persons!" I haven't been there to see the sacraments taken since.
        At New Bedford, where I live, there was a great revival of religion not long ago--many were converted and "received" as they said, "into the kingdom of heaven." But it seems, the kingdom of heaven is like a net; at least so it was according to the practice of these pious Christians; and when the net was drawn ashore, they had to set down and cull out the fish. Well, it happened now that some of the fish had rather black scales; so these were sorted out and packed by themselves. But among those who experienced religion at this time was a colored girl; she was baptized in the same water as the rest; so she thought she might sit at the Lord's table and partake of the same sacramental elements with the others. The deacon handed round the cup, and when he came to the black girl, he could not pass her, for there was the minister looking right at him, and as he was a kind of abolitionist, the deacon was rather afraid of giving him offense; so he handed the girl the cup, and she tasted. Now it so happened that next to her sat a young lady who had been converted at the same time, baptized in the same water, and put her trust in the same blessed Saviour; yet when the cup containing the precious blood which had been shed for all, came to her, she rose in disdain, and walked out of the church. Such was the religion she had experienced!
        Another young lady fell into a trance. When she awoke, she declared she had been to heaven. Her friends were all anxious to know what and whom she had seen there; so she told the whole story. But there was one good old lady whose curiosity went beyond that of all the others--and she inquired of the girl that had the vision, if she saw any black folks in heaven? After some hesitation, the reply was, "Oh! I didn't go into the kitchen!"
        Thus you see, my hearers, this prejudice goes even into the church of God. And there are those who carry it so far that it is disagreeable to them even to think of going to heaven, if colored people are going there too. And whence comes it? The grand cause is slavery; but there are others less prominent; one of them is the way in which children in this part of the country are instructed to regard the blacks.
        "Yes!" exclaimed an old gentleman, interrupting him--"when they behave wrong, they are told, 'black man come catch you.'"
        Yet people in general will say they like colored men as well as any other, but in their proper place! They assign us that place; they don't let us do it for ourselves, nor will they allow us a voice in the decision. They will not allow that we have a head to think, and a heart to feel, and a soul to aspire. They treat us not as men, but as dogs--they cry "Stu-boy!" and expect us to run and do their bidding. That's the way we are liked. You degrade us, and then ask why we are degraded--you shut our mouths, and then ask why we don't speak--you close our colleges and seminaries against us, and then ask why we don't know more.
        But all this prejudice sinks into insignificance in my mind, when compared with the enormous iniquity of the system which is its cause--the system that sold my four sisters and my brothers into bondage--and which calls in its priests to defend it even from the Bible! The slaveholding ministers preach up the divine right of the slaveholders to property in their fellow- men. The southern preachers say to the poor slave, "Oh! if you wish to be happy in time, happy in eternity, you must be obedient to your masters; their interest is yours. God made one portion of men to do the working, and another to do the thinking; how good God is! Now, you have no trouble or anxiety; but ah! you can't imagine how perplexing it is to your masters and mistresses to have so much thinking to do in your behalf! You cannot appreciate your blessings; you know not how happy a thing it is for you, that you were born of that portion of the human family which has the working, instead of the thinking to do! Oh! how grateful and obedient you ought to be to your masters! How beautiful are the arrangements of Providence! Look at your hard, horny hands--see how nicely they are adapted to the labor you have to perform! Look at our delicate fingers, so exactly fitted for our station, and see how manifest it is that God designed us to be His thinkers, and you the workers--Oh! the wisdom of God!"--I used to attend a Methodist church, in which my master was a class leader; he would talk most sanctimoniously about the dear Redeemer, who was sent "to preach deliverance to the captives, and set at liberty them that are bruised"--he could pray at morning, pray at noon, and pray at night; yet he could lash up my poor cousin by his two thumbs, and inflict stripes and blows upon his bare back, till the blood streamed to the ground! all the time quoting scripture, for his authority, and appealing to that passage of the Holy Bible which says, "He that knoweth his master's will, and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes!" Such was the amount of this good Methodist's piety.
(Foner, Volume I, pages 102-105)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Creamer, I missed the live broadcast of this particular show but listened to the archived verion in it&#8217;s entirity. I want to thank you for the biblical stance you take on the issues that plague this nation. On the topic of Racism I thought it fitting to send you writings from a man who had a keen perspective on this matter but, moreover from the prespective of his &#8220;unalienable rights endowed by our creator&#8221; and so expressed the cultural norm of his day and the great hyprocesy of the &#8220;church&#8221;. </p>
<p>THE CHURCH AND PREJUDICE<br />
(Speech delivered at the Plymouth County Anti-Slavery Society, November 4, 1841) Frederick Douglas</p>
<p>        At the South I was a member of the Methodist Church. When I came north, I thought one Sunday I would attend communion, at one of the churches of my denomination, in the town I was staying. The white people gathered round the altar, the blacks clustered by the door. After the good minister had served out the bread and wine to one portion of those near him, he said, &#8220;These may withdraw, and others come forward;&#8221; thus he proceeded till all the white members had been served. Then he took a long breath, and looking out towards the door, exclaimed, &#8220;Come up, colored friends, come up! for you know God is no respecter of persons!&#8221; I haven&#8217;t been there to see the sacraments taken since.<br />
        At New Bedford, where I live, there was a great revival of religion not long ago&#8211;many were converted and &#8220;received&#8221; as they said, &#8220;into the kingdom of heaven.&#8221; But it seems, the kingdom of heaven is like a net; at least so it was according to the practice of these pious Christians; and when the net was drawn ashore, they had to set down and cull out the fish. Well, it happened now that some of the fish had rather black scales; so these were sorted out and packed by themselves. But among those who experienced religion at this time was a colored girl; she was baptized in the same water as the rest; so she thought she might sit at the Lord&#8217;s table and partake of the same sacramental elements with the others. The deacon handed round the cup, and when he came to the black girl, he could not pass her, for there was the minister looking right at him, and as he was a kind of abolitionist, the deacon was rather afraid of giving him offense; so he handed the girl the cup, and she tasted. Now it so happened that next to her sat a young lady who had been converted at the same time, baptized in the same water, and put her trust in the same blessed Saviour; yet when the cup containing the precious blood which had been shed for all, came to her, she rose in disdain, and walked out of the church. Such was the religion she had experienced!<br />
        Another young lady fell into a trance. When she awoke, she declared she had been to heaven. Her friends were all anxious to know what and whom she had seen there; so she told the whole story. But there was one good old lady whose curiosity went beyond that of all the others&#8211;and she inquired of the girl that had the vision, if she saw any black folks in heaven? After some hesitation, the reply was, &#8220;Oh! I didn&#8217;t go into the kitchen!&#8221;<br />
        Thus you see, my hearers, this prejudice goes even into the church of God. And there are those who carry it so far that it is disagreeable to them even to think of going to heaven, if colored people are going there too. And whence comes it? The grand cause is slavery; but there are others less prominent; one of them is the way in which children in this part of the country are instructed to regard the blacks.<br />
        &#8220;Yes!&#8221; exclaimed an old gentleman, interrupting him&#8211;&#8221;when they behave wrong, they are told, &#8216;black man come catch you.&#8217;&#8221;<br />
        Yet people in general will say they like colored men as well as any other, but in their proper place! They assign us that place; they don&#8217;t let us do it for ourselves, nor will they allow us a voice in the decision. They will not allow that we have a head to think, and a heart to feel, and a soul to aspire. They treat us not as men, but as dogs&#8211;they cry &#8220;Stu-boy!&#8221; and expect us to run and do their bidding. That&#8217;s the way we are liked. You degrade us, and then ask why we are degraded&#8211;you shut our mouths, and then ask why we don&#8217;t speak&#8211;you close our colleges and seminaries against us, and then ask why we don&#8217;t know more.<br />
        But all this prejudice sinks into insignificance in my mind, when compared with the enormous iniquity of the system which is its cause&#8211;the system that sold my four sisters and my brothers into bondage&#8211;and which calls in its priests to defend it even from the Bible! The slaveholding ministers preach up the divine right of the slaveholders to property in their fellow- men. The southern preachers say to the poor slave, &#8220;Oh! if you wish to be happy in time, happy in eternity, you must be obedient to your masters; their interest is yours. God made one portion of men to do the working, and another to do the thinking; how good God is! Now, you have no trouble or anxiety; but ah! you can&#8217;t imagine how perplexing it is to your masters and mistresses to have so much thinking to do in your behalf! You cannot appreciate your blessings; you know not how happy a thing it is for you, that you were born of that portion of the human family which has the working, instead of the thinking to do! Oh! how grateful and obedient you ought to be to your masters! How beautiful are the arrangements of Providence! Look at your hard, horny hands&#8211;see how nicely they are adapted to the labor you have to perform! Look at our delicate fingers, so exactly fitted for our station, and see how manifest it is that God designed us to be His thinkers, and you the workers&#8211;Oh! the wisdom of God!&#8221;&#8211;I used to attend a Methodist church, in which my master was a class leader; he would talk most sanctimoniously about the dear Redeemer, who was sent &#8220;to preach deliverance to the captives, and set at liberty them that are bruised&#8221;&#8211;he could pray at morning, pray at noon, and pray at night; yet he could lash up my poor cousin by his two thumbs, and inflict stripes and blows upon his bare back, till the blood streamed to the ground! all the time quoting scripture, for his authority, and appealing to that passage of the Holy Bible which says, &#8220;He that knoweth his master&#8217;s will, and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes!&#8221; Such was the amount of this good Methodist&#8217;s piety.<br />
(Foner, Volume I, pages 102-105)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Putting &#8220;Life&#8221; and &#8220;Liberty&#8221; in Proper Perspective;  And, the Issues with Sen. John Cornyn by Tammy</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/10/31/friday-october-31-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I complete agree with you stand on abortion.  Where can I locate the statics that you are using in your argument.  To be more precise...50 million babies being aborted since the Roe vs. Wade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I complete agree with you stand on abortion.  Where can I locate the statics that you are using in your argument.  To be more precise&#8230;50 million babies being aborted since the Roe vs. Wade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Halloween Just Harmless Fun?  Or Harmful?  And the Dangers of Wicca by Levi</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/10/30/thursday-october-30-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...being Reformed, we just celebrate Reformation Day. :) When I see kids in their costumes, rather than yelling, "Happy Halloween!!," I exclaimL "Happy Reformation Day!" It seems to be an easy way to share a bit of Church history and most importantly, the Gospel of the Kingdom. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;being Reformed, we just celebrate Reformation Day. <img src='http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> When I see kids in their costumes, rather than yelling, &#8220;Happy Halloween!!,&#8221; I exclaimL &#8220;Happy Reformation Day!&#8221; It seems to be an easy way to share a bit of Church history and most importantly, the Gospel of the Kingdom. <img src='http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Virtue&#8211;What Are the Non-Negotiables? by DEBBIE MOSLEY</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/10/07/virtue-what-are-the-non-negotiables/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>DEBBIE MOSLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry,

I hope you can have Dr Jeffress on sometime to talk about his book and/or sermon series. 
Jerry Johnson interviewd him when the hardcover version came out called "Hell? Yes." the new release is paperback and retitled "Outragous Truths." I refered to the chapter :Homosexuality is a perversion. 
I'm very proud of him for standing up to things that are politically/culturally incorrect. The big 7 topics include Hell is real, Jesus is the only way, Homosexuality is wrong, Evolution is a myth, America as a christian nation, suffering, Husbands are the leaders in the home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>I hope you can have Dr Jeffress on sometime to talk about his book and/or sermon series.<br />
Jerry Johnson interviewd him when the hardcover version came out called &#8220;Hell? Yes.&#8221; the new release is paperback and retitled &#8220;Outragous Truths.&#8221; I refered to the chapter :Homosexuality is a perversion.<br />
I&#8217;m very proud of him for standing up to things that are politically/culturally incorrect. The big 7 topics include Hell is real, Jesus is the only way, Homosexuality is wrong, Evolution is a myth, America as a christian nation, suffering, Husbands are the leaders in the home.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Join the Discussion, Listen Online, or Learn More! by barry</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for encouraging and for inquiring. Yes. You can access the archives on I-Tunes. Just go to the I-Tunes Store and type "Barry Creamer" (without quotes) into the search box. Then choose the "Live from Criswell" podcast. It should be all downhill from there! (Assuming downhill is good.) I hope that helps,
bkc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for encouraging and for inquiring. Yes. You can access the archives on I-Tunes. Just go to the I-Tunes Store and type &#8220;Barry Creamer&#8221; (without quotes) into the search box. Then choose the &#8220;Live from Criswell&#8221; podcast. It should be all downhill from there! (Assuming downhill is good.) I hope that helps,<br />
bkc</p>
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		<title>Comment on Join the Discussion, Listen Online, or Learn More! by Dona England</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dona England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. I recently found your radio show on KCBI. Love it, I'm a long time supporter of KCBI. I am trying to download your show to my itunes and whatever system you have is not working for me. Is this available on itunes? This snap thing won't work. Help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. I recently found your radio show on KCBI. Love it, I&#8217;m a long time supporter of KCBI. I am trying to download your show to my itunes and whatever system you have is not working for me. Is this available on itunes? This snap thing won&#8217;t work. Help?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers to Your Questions, Including God&#8217;s Plan for Our Lives by Tina</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/09/05/answers-to-your-questions-including-gods-plan-for-our-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for replying. Your response really helps me look at the bible clearly. I was already planning on meeting with my Pastor to get clarity on his position, but I needed an outside reality check from someone I trusted to be faithful to the word. That's where you helped. Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for replying. Your response really helps me look at the bible clearly. I was already planning on meeting with my Pastor to get clarity on his position, but I needed an outside reality check from someone I trusted to be faithful to the word. That&#8217;s where you helped. Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers to Your Questions, Including God&#8217;s Plan for Our Lives by barry</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/09/05/answers-to-your-questions-including-gods-plan-for-our-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is potentially a misunderstanding or misapplication on both sides of this issue. It is true that in Ephesians 4 God gives leaders to churches 
for the completing of the believers in those churches. We think of the 
word "gift" only in the Christmas or birthday sense. That understanding 
(which is how you are describing your pastor's statement) is silly in 
this passage. I can't know (without hearing it myself) whether that's 
what he intended or if that's just the way you understood it. But your 
wariness of the suggestion that, using common vernacular, a pastor is a 
"gift from God" is perfectly justifiable. Instead, if anything, there is 
a responsibility added to leaders in the church. I'd paraphrase it like 
this: "God gave leaders to churches to bring the believers to a state of 
maturity." That doesn't make pastors inherently good or bad. It just 
means pastors are there for the purpose of discipling their churches, 
just as Christ was in the world for the purpose of redeeming His people. 
I hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is potentially a misunderstanding or misapplication on both sides of this issue. It is true that in Ephesians 4 God gives leaders to churches<br />
for the completing of the believers in those churches. We think of the<br />
word &#8220;gift&#8221; only in the Christmas or birthday sense. That understanding<br />
(which is how you are describing your pastor&#8217;s statement) is silly in<br />
this passage. I can&#8217;t know (without hearing it myself) whether that&#8217;s<br />
what he intended or if that&#8217;s just the way you understood it. But your<br />
wariness of the suggestion that, using common vernacular, a pastor is a<br />
&#8220;gift from God&#8221; is perfectly justifiable. Instead, if anything, there is<br />
a responsibility added to leaders in the church. I&#8217;d paraphrase it like<br />
this: &#8220;God gave leaders to churches to bring the believers to a state of<br />
maturity.&#8221; That doesn&#8217;t make pastors inherently good or bad. It just<br />
means pastors are there for the purpose of discipling their churches,<br />
just as Christ was in the world for the purpose of redeeming His people.<br />
I hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers to Your Questions, Including God&#8217;s Plan for Our Lives by Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Pastor recently began making the statement that he (personally) is a gift to the church from God. He is basing this repeated statement on Ephesians 4, especially verses 11 - 13. When I read and study this passage, I understand it to say that Jesus "who descended" gives the gift of pastor to someone, but I do not see that the person is the gift. Is the idea of the Pastor being the gift biblically sound. I have read the other passages on spiritual gifts and looked at many reference passages for pastoral definition and out working. Am I missing something here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Pastor recently began making the statement that he (personally) is a gift to the church from God. He is basing this repeated statement on Ephesians 4, especially verses 11 - 13. When I read and study this passage, I understand it to say that Jesus &#8220;who descended&#8221; gives the gift of pastor to someone, but I do not see that the person is the gift. Is the idea of the Pastor being the gift biblically sound. I have read the other passages on spiritual gifts and looked at many reference passages for pastoral definition and out working. Am I missing something here?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Worldview of Life and Abortion, and Social Programs by tim king</title>
		<link>http://criswell.barrycreamer.com/2008/09/09/christian-worldview-of-life-and-abortion-and-social-programs/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>tim king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great show,wonderful guest</description>
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